Honey Hireme-Smiler's sporting prowess is undeniable.
She was one of New Zealand's first professional women's rugby players, playing for the Black Ferns and the IRB Women's Sevens Circuit.
But she was comfortable across the rugby codes - playing in four league World Cups - including captaining the Kiwi Ferns to victory at the inaugural Nines World Cup in 2019.
That's where she begins her newly-released memoir, Honey: My Story of Love, Loss and Victory, written with sports journalist Suzanne McFadden.
She went into that competition having just lost her mother to cancer.
Honey was New Zealand's women's Rugby League Player of the Year three times, and has been honoured with a New Zealand Order of Merit.
She's also a commentator for both codes at Sky Sport, and has also worked with young people and those with disabilities.
She joins Kathryn to talk about a tumultuous start in life and why the time was right to detail what she's gone through.