Early childhood centre owners say the details of planned changes to preschool regulations are still not clear.
The Regulation Minister, David Seymour, last week confirmed Cabinet had approved all the recommended changes to rules he has described as "arbitrary or outdated".
Legislation is due in July. The minister's moves have sparked strong reactions, in a sector where there are differing views over the role of centres, and the level of qualifications needed to provide a good service.
Kathryn is joined by Toni Christie founder of Childspace early learning centres in Wellington and Simon Laube the CEO of the Early Childhood Council which represents centre owners and managers.