
Undercurrent

This is Undercurrent, an RNZ series on misinformation.
On this page, you’ll see and hear about how misinformation infects mainstream politics. There is information and advice on how to identify misinformation, and some reasons to believe society can get the problem under some sort of control.
Undercurrent is a seven-part audio documentary series. You can listen to episodes five, six and seven, and learn more below.
For episodes one and two, click here. For episodes three and four, click here.
You can also subscribe via Spotify, Apple, iHeart or wherever you get podcasts. Undercurrent episodes also air on RNZ National at 7am each Sunday.
Episode five: Muddying the water
Has misinformation infected mainstream politics in New Zealand? And if it has, what would that mean for our democracy?
Listen to episode five by hitting play below.

Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. Photo: RNZ
Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. Photo: RNZ
Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, co-leader of Te Pāti Māori
“I live with security cameras on my house, nearly every angle you can come in, and down my driveway. I have a team who will plan and figure out how I get in and how I get out. And I guess I've just become used to it.”
David Cormack, public relations specialist and former political staffer. Photo: RNZ
David Cormack, public relations specialist and former political staffer. Photo: RNZ











Brooke van Velden. Photo: RNZ
Brooke van Velden. Photo: RNZ
Brooke van Velden, deputy leader of the ACT Party
“During the Covid political situation, a lot of people genuinely didn't feel like they were being listened to, you know, we did have limitations on rights and freedoms. And some people felt like the freedom of choice over their own lives was actually taken away from them. And so there are some genuine grievances.”

Janet Wilson, media trainer and former National Party communications boss. Photo: RNZ
Janet Wilson, media trainer and former National Party communications boss. Photo: RNZ

Episode six: Hallmarks
How to spot misinformation – and some ideas for dealing with it.
Listen to episode six by hitting play below.

Sarah Hendrica Bickerton. Photo: RNZ
Sarah Hendrica Bickerton. Photo: RNZ
Sarah Hendrica Bickerton, research and policy lead at Tohatoha Aotearoa
“One thing I always do is I put a tougher lens on things that I agree with, than things I don't. And that means like, do I need to share this? This conforms with my pre-existing beliefs and makes me feel good. That probably should be something that I should be thinking a little bit more about.”
Indigenous human rights activist Tina Ngata. Photo: QIANE+co
Indigenous human rights activist Tina Ngata. Photo: QIANE+co

Dr Jess Berentson-Shaw. Photo: RNZ
Dr Jess Berentson-Shaw. Photo: RNZ
Dr Jess Berentson-Shaw, researcher and advisor
“Narratives that are very much about them and us - those people over there are doing harm to us and ours - are really strong. Lots of pieces of false information and social media is constructed very much around exacerbating that particular response because the more outrage, the more clicks.”
Sean Lyons, chief online safety officer at Netsafe. Photo: RNZ
Sean Lyons, chief online safety officer at Netsafe. Photo: RNZ

Episode seven: The endgame
Yes, there really are reasons to believe society will not be overwhelmed by misinformation.
Listen to episode seven by hitting play below.

Kate Hannah, director of the Disinformation Project. Photo: RNZ
Kate Hannah, director of the Disinformation Project. Photo: RNZ
Kate Hannah, director of the Disinformation Project
“I am fearful, [but] I also have a lot of hope. Young people care. Young people are terribly disturbed by the world that we are handing to them. They want to look after each other, they want to understand what's going on. They pivot really quickly, you know, young people. A friend tells them what their new pronouns are, and they roll with it. They're not scared of this new world. And I do have hope, and particularly have hope around things like the new history curriculum, and the long-term effects that something like that will have.”






Kassie Hartendorp, director of Action Station. Photo: Supplied
Kassie Hartendorp, director of Action Station. Photo: Supplied







More from Undercurrent

Episodes 1 and 2
The scale and shape of misinformation in Aotearoa.

Episodes 3 and 4
People who have been part of misinformation networks. And the people who live with, love – and sometimes fear – the angriest voices in the disinformation community.

Bonus episode: Ballot box
How misinformation collided with the 2023 election campaign.

National’s anti-fluoride, anti-mandate MP-in-waiting
A National Party candidate favoured to win election questioned Covid death statistics and said "lower socio economics fill their tap water with raro".
Resources
Netsafe
https://netsafe.org.nz/
CERT – Computer Emergency Response Team
https://www.cert.govt.nz/
Tauiwi Tautoko
https://www.tauiwitautoko.com/
The Dangerous Speech Project
https://dangerousspeech.org/
Credits
Created, produced and presented by
Susie Ferguson
Written by Susie Ferguson and John Hartevelt
Voice actors Vivien Bell, Richard Chapman, Francesca Emms and Carmel McGlone
Production help from Duncan Smith and
Justin Gregory
Engineered and mixed by William Saunders, Marc Chesterman and Phil Benge
Visuals and design by RNZ
Executive editor John Hartevelt
Special thanks to the experts and ordinary people who shared their experience and knowledge for this project.